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Well actually clearly, and me too, clearly. Go back to the dress patterns of the time and you will see that sizes have changed.
In s sizes, she may well have been a , but that would be tiny today. Those guys would have a field day here. I use a size 14 dress pattern. Her bra size was nowhere near a 36D. Early in her career as a model and aspiring actress — this would have been during and shortly after the war — she was an active and skilled surfer.
Marilyn loved the ocean and was a good swimmer. She liked to spend time on the beach at Malibu and became friends with many of the crowd of young people who pioneered the surfing lifestyle in the area. Marilyn became famous for her beauty and striking blonde looks, but as a young woman was known among her surfing friends for her athleticism and skill on the waves.
AND she was much more intelligent than people realize. The dippy blonde like the walk referred to in Some Like it Hot was all part of Her act. MM was not ONE size, like ALL people her weight fluctuated sometimes very thin sometimes she has a belly -the size that never changed was her heart which was always monumental she was a beautiful lady but if you think it was all in her looks you are missing out on who she was which was a beautiful person and actress.
So now you are underexagerating her size , I think. Especially since I wore the same bra size! There is no way a 36D would fit in a size 0 unless you were bound like Milan as a boy! This woman was tiny. Did you even see the dress she wore to sing Happy Birthday to President Kennedy? The difference is, she had curves. I could have guessed that this article was written by a man as soon as I saw the bra size. So bra sizes work like this.
The band size is how many inches around your rib cage is, the cup is how many inches larger you are when you factor in the actual boobs. Similarly a 38C and a 34DD fit women who are approximately inches around in the bust but factoring that some women have a larger rib cage to bust ratio and others have a smaller rib cage to bust ratio. Jali: Exactly on the sizing discrepancies. The problem with all this bra discussion is, I think, the idea that there is a standard bra sizing system in place and that this has stayed constant from when Monroe lived to now. We men have it a bit easier there.
Jali, no small number of women are clueless about bra sizing. That said, you have a point in that this article was supposed to clear up confusion about sizing, and while it did so for clothes sizes, the same has not been done for bra sizing as is obvious by the comments here. The point is she was thin. Lets not worry over the bra size. She was size 12 back then, which makes her a size 6 today. I am a woman, and I shop vintage. So I know. All you have to do is look at pics of Marilyn back in the day and know that these measurements are bunk.
By no means was Marilyn Monroe fat but she definitely did not have a 22 inch waist either. I have seen other white stars from the 50s and she is NOT the hottest. She was not small. MM was pounds at the time of her death. Have you seen the backstage pix? At age 16 in I was a size 12, 34 36, pounds … not fat sizes were different then they are now…. She was a tiny and curvy woman of average height by any standard..
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Jayne Mansfield was , and when you look at photos of her straight on, you can tell. It shows she has a flat stomach, the waist is the measurement all the way around, and hers is not distinctive in any way in photos straight on. Ha ha! Oh man I wish they still were in business. That is priceless. Her bra size is wrong. If her measurements were 35 chest, 22 waist her under bust band size would be anywhere from a 26 to a 29 which would make her bra size around a 32 E. Putting a bra on that is 36 D? Adrenne… there is a lot of discussion about bra size, above.
A size two! Ha, maybe by Hollywood standards and no concept size. There are way too many other articles that contradicts what you are saying her. But hey I guess anything to make her perfect. Look at her pics and the pic of an average actress or singer today , she was clearly larger. Yup, I said plus size. Plus size does not equal fat. Get over it people. The average woman today is a size Whatever: your post is super-weird and hostile. Do you know who that woman is, in the photo at the top of the page, with the vanishing midsection?
Well they also wore high rising pants back then. The waistline would cover the belly button. Her pants would actually be fitted at the waist and not around the hips. If anyone has seen the high rising pants before, you would now they round out towards the bottom, so her pants would of fit just fine. If she was still alive these days, she would probably be wearing leggings or hipster jeans that sit just at the hips. One small problem with this article, is that either the writer is a liar or the sources are.
If you do the math, her bust size would actually be 40 inches at the fullest part. This is exactly 5 inches greater than her supposed measurements of I have some good photos of Marilyn when she started her modelling career at age She lost weight again after a gallbladder operation, then gained it back.
If she were alive today, no way would she fit size 0. MM would probably fit into a 28F bra today — almost a sister size of 36D. When she started she was or around that, maybe an inch bigger, when she got fat and she was still gorgeous she was much bigger, I have seen Monroe next to Maria Callas, Callas was a tall woman and very thin and Monroe looked literally double than Callas. I can believe Callas was 35 inches, not Monroe whatsoever. So what if people are calling Monroe fat? I don;t get that skinny mania size 0 thing, the woman looks overly thin and unhealthy, with no muscles on her, thats not very good at all.
This is insane! MM standing next to Callas is very small. The waist is incredibly small. I have a 24 inch waist and would seriously struggle getting it on. I make my own clothes and own many vintage patterns. A vintage s to s size 12 pattern has the measurements You can do a search for yourself and confirm this. A bust measurement is the around the widest part of the breast. The number part of the bra size is the measurement of the rib cage below the breast, where the band goes around.
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With a 36 inch band size and 35 inch bust her boobs would have to be… concave. You measure under the boob, then around the fullest part of the boob. How ever many inches apart the numbers are determine the cup size. Dev is right about bra size.
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I was taught, way before ridiculous low rise jeans, your waist is where you bend sideways. It really is. Anyone who called her fat is either jealous, ignorant, or just plain stupid. That said, I wish they would quit making adult clothes for little girls, especially underwear. I just had to get that in there. Well holy carp. I had a inch waist when I was 14, I remember because I had to bring in a dress. It was really tiny looking even on me. I am making no judgement about the attractiveness of either woman, as I think they are both lovely.
But I will say that having similar measurements with a height difference of 5 inches means that Elizabeth Hurley is quite a lot skinnier than Marilyn Monroe. As a woman who is 6 feet tall, reading the measurements quoted in this article means very little to me except in the few cases where the height was also mentioned.
My measurements are quite a bit larger than my friends who are average height, but with the same BMI as mine. I had no idea she was so short. She and Elvis also. But this poor girl had one crappy life. Who got their just rewards. I believe there is a larger game at play….
Clare: When you were younger, were you more in shape, muscle-wise? I actually know a woman like this who tends to lose weight even as she looks fatter during times she stops her normal workout routine in favor of just cardio or nothing. On that note, this article may be of interest to you. Daven Hiskey No I was way out of shape back then. I was weighing in at 15st. Now I am fit, healthy and a regular at the gym with a free weighs routine, core and a little cardio to keep my heart healthy.
I still have some older jeans size 12 which fit me but shopping for our modern sizes I am the measurements for a size 16 according to most measurements and some places a size I am a qualified fitness instructor so I understand that muscle weighs more than fat. Yes women are mainly and traditionally targeted by marketing, it is also targeted at men and sadly children too. So their height difference is 2 and a half inches, NOT the 5 inches Daven states. RIK: Depends on which sources you believe on her height.
We are extremely interesting in the finer details here on TIFO. The firm fitting undergarments of the time helped give the hourglass figure with her waist measurement smaller than the average, ungirdled, woman today. It also, to some extent, stabilized her shape even through minor weight changes in a way that todays stretchy clothes, and stretchy girdles like Spanxx, dont. The bra size issue is a common one. Women who were taught bra fitting in the 80s and earlier were all taught to take the underbust measurement and add 4 inches to get the band number.
Modern bra technology renders the additional numbers unnecessary. Consequently many women are not getting the right amount of support, causing back problems etc. It does seem to have fluctuated though and she certainly looked considerably larger in her later years. I would be interested to know if any dresses from that stage in her life are still in existence.
Sorry, but back in the day those measurements were for a size I was her size in the sixties. Look at her picks ALL of them. Look at them over a 10 year period. Her weigh fluctuated and being sexy had nothing to do with her weight. It was her confidence and attitude, the persona she put on. In the late 50;s some like it hot she was a little heavier but most of her life she was a very slender hourglass.
Friggin ridiculous. Absolutely correct. What is now a size 8 used to be a size They must accommodate the denial and egos of so many overweight individuals. I am not tiny, small, but not tiny. MM had to be tiny…. I wish we could agree on some international sizing standards — it would make clothes shopping much simpler. The European ones 40, 42 etc seem to be the most consistent. In Australia M is , S is but each manufacturer is a bit different in regard to actual measurements.
Even different ranges from the same manufacturer have different sizing. I do understand the time-consuming and tiring nature of proof reading and I like your undefensive attitude to your critics. I have 2 photos, one showing her doing bench presses, and another showing her jogging in the alleys of Hollywood, wearing sweats. Or perhaps the studios wanted to perpetuate her image of a magical goddess. Marilyn could have been a size 12 in her day. Clothes are made much bigger now. Sizing changes to reflect the rich so they feel good about themselves, really think about it, how can csize change on an item that is standard, you never hear of mens sizes changing do you?
Referring to individual photos of the person in question or even some of her dresses, does not give an accurate picture. It was also popular for women to be corseted or wear shapewear. Especially on film. Although it is also true that Marilyn enjoyed being naked. Marilyn Monroes weight fluctuated a great deal, throughout her career. At one point, she was what we today would consider overweight at least in media standards. Her weight went up and down so dramatically during the filming of The Prince and the Showgirl that the costume designer, Beatrice Dawson, had to create facsimile dresses in different sizes.
Whatever we believe about her size, she was nonetheless very unhappy with a fuller figure. She lost the weight and was really happy with her new slimmer figure, but sadly never overcame her problems with depression. So sad that even today, we are discussing her weight. She was a beautiful lady.
I absolutely love Some Like It Hot. Admittedly, it would have been nothing without the fantastic comedic duo, Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon. Of course not. But I believe that is why some larger women tend to cling to this myth that Marilyn looked just like them…they want to feel better about themselves and to be seen as beautiful, too. I know somebody who is pushing lbs. Is she attractive in her own way? Definitely…but to compare herself with a movie star who was teeny-tiny, yet had hourglass curves?
No way. Now I am overweight and I can be honest with myself about it. But I think those that often talk about Marilyn being a poster girl for heavy women are delusional and misinformed. Most likely they seemed larger because the rest of her was pretty small. I see lots of mistakes on facts, but I see different facts every where on MM. I keep seeing everywhere that she was a 36 D. Maybe when she was at her biggest weight and that was about lbs.
I have been about lbs — lbs most of my life, with a 24 inch waste after having 5 children. When I was at my biggest not pregnant lbs, I was a 36 C, last clip and it was snug. There is no way that she was lbs with a 22 inch waste line. Our bodies change often. I was lbs in high school, with and A 32 bust. The smallest I weighed was after having my 2nd child was lbs, size zero, or a kids 16 stressed out. I was a B 32 at that time. And at one time, I was at lbs for about 3 yrs. I was a B 34 during that time. After that I was lbs for a few years.
When I got back to my normal weight and had 5 children, I was back to my normal weight lbs, but this time I was a C During pregnancies, I was D And my highest non-pregnancy weight was lbs, and a C last clip. So many details, but I wanted to show you all that our weight can fluctuate many times throughout our lives. Today I am lbs, C Her weight fluctuated, which means so does her bra size. Maybe I am wearing the wrong bra size but I do know that every time my weight goes up and down, so does my bra size. Marilyn was a lovely size I liked your article, and your commentators. She was a fine, not far off average normal gal with a special spiritual quality.
Take into considersation that dress sizing back than is farrrrr from what it is now. Women and measurements ran smaller. My grandmother is a seamstress and has vintage patterns I always use to look through and the size charts are astronomically different, a size 10 is , a size 12 being Naval uniforms are still sized based on old measurements so I was shocked when I was fitted for my uniforms and was given sizes 10 and 12 because I wore a size 4 in jeans at the time.
You need to do your research. I am a size 6 in commercially made cloths. I am a size 14 in pattern sizes for clothing. I am a 16 in antique patterns. I am a seamstress, so I know measurements.
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This is a miss understanding, not a myth. Any sewist can explain in more detail if you have questions. The proof that she was NOT fat is shown in the centerfold she posed for in Playboy. Her figure was flawless. From reading the article, I read that the sizes were different back then from what they are today.
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Also, so many comments. If that number is 36, now count up to the number at the fullest part while wearing a bra that covers properly. Count up 4 letters, A, B, C, D. That is the correct size and cup for 36 D. But I doubt it. I do suspect waist sizes are moving upward because even my nieces and cousins are wearing slacks with a 28 waist and they are active girls, playing baseball, soccer, volleyball at school.
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As they aged some began to gain weight but that was due to the need to slow down as the children moved out. The only really big person was my paternal grampa, but he grew up on a farm, and was a big man to start with. I suspect the reduced need for physical labor, less need for walking, and the higher fat content of our food are the reason Americans are now the largest people, on average, on planet earth.
Her tailor is lying, it is impossible to look that curvacious without being larger than he claims, both my mother, and my eldest daughter are and have been those exact measurements, very bony and thin looking, not shapely and full looking like Marilyn, everyone needs to happily accept that Marilyn was a well rounded fuller figure, there is no shame in looking great no matter what the tape measure tells you lol, i have that hour glass figure and most people cant tell what size i am, all i know is to have those shapely legs and round bum cheeks like she does she must have been bigger than the claims but honestly who cares, she looked great and it did her no good, so be happy and proud of what shape size you have….
There is no way she was a size 4. My mother is extremely short and a size 4, her waist is tiny. My Grandmother is another that is woman very small. When I see pictures of Marilyn, yes she looks to be about an average size Where are you getting that mindset at? This seems to be another way of trying to make skinny more acceptable, then just looking at all different sizes and seeing beauty. A would have natural waist size that of 0, but the drop waist size is that of a 14 and the bust is that. One thing is for sure. She was a perfect size 12 in the patterns everyone bought back then.
The photos of her in those days in a swimsuit show she was trim and fit at 5 ft. Most girls had already gone beyond that by the time they were wearing adult clothing. Apparently they forget we have eyes and photographs, and think they can throw out b. So yeah, most of us are more beautiful than Marilyn…. Firstly, this article is incorrect in so many ways. Your eyes should tell you that her upper body is much smaller than her lower body, which IS quite large, and her waist measurement is 25, not She did not have big breasts OR a large rib cage, so common sense tells me that if her hips appear significantly wider, she cannot have the same measurements on top and on bottom.
Compare to Jayne Mansfield in photos, she appears to achieved this insanely small waistline!
Physically, she is overrated. The fact she has the 1 most common body type means there are quite a lot of women with her measurements. What could possibly be the motive for being jealous of someone dead for half a century? I accepted the thinking she was a true hourglass shape before I read this article and looked up photos of her. If you look at her straight on, her upper body is more narrow than her lower body, her hips and thighs are significantly larger, that means she has a very average, the most common, body proportions.
As for her persona, acting, etc, she was very very special and will always be an icon. But speaking strictly about her body proportions….. The reason so many women had to correct the article is because it was wrong! He says his daughter is a size This is how it must have gotten started.
She was never fat or a size 16 and it really irritates me when women who are really overweight say they can relate to her. When a woman is lucky enough to have a curvy figure with hips and boobs it has nothing to do with weight and everything to do with being lucky genetically. Unfortunately, she should have made it for marrying that freak and low IQ as well. They divorced and she is back to normal waist — but she knows the power of a corset. So did women up until around — then it ceased.
So I was constantly belittled because people chose to see us differently than we actually were! We are made how we are made, and we need to stop being told that if we put in a great deal of effort we can look better than the way we are made to look. This double standard is why young girls and adult women become bulimic and anorexic.
And the author can thank himself for being part of the problem with his insensitive unrealistic blurb. All of the male actors and comedians who are fat would have never made it on television or in movies had they been the exact same person, only female.
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Or King of Queens? Or any of the other sitcoms where a thin hot woman is married to an ordinary looking fat man? And I am guessing that the only reason they let Roseanne have a sitcom is by choosing an overweight man to play along side her. Women are never going to get that break. And by the way, MM would have been considered plus size today and she is drop dead gorgeous! At my thinnest and fittest I never sqeezed into anything below a on the bottom and a on top, and my heaviest would have worn a Clothes are not made for women with our shape and it would take tailoring to end up with a close fit.
Marilyn, according to your measurements,would currently wear between a 6 and a 12 depending on her weight, and be considered very curvy. She would be told she was too fat and too short for fashion modeling today as Hurley indicates. Look at her next to say, Lauren Bcall. What is worse, is that for some reasons not yet known but possibly due to in utero factors , the same exercise and diet today that was done in the s and 60s would result in heavier weights, anyway. Very badly written article which adds nothing to the extensive information already written about Marilyn.
Spelling and grammatical errors make it hard to take article seriously. Author writes as if he is sharing new or unknown information but there is nothing new or unknown in this article as well as several inaccuracies. Marilyn Monroe was trim. Jeans size means zero. Eyes seeing a thin body is all that matters.
And besides that, she was hot. Gaga may look OK, but her tits look like they have been trough 4 kids and a decade in the desert. Flat pancakes with nipples — she is one of the few who have some tit that should get silicone, as they currently look like a rock in a sock — when not in a bra to give them shape. More like size You must be friends with Ana.
If you are 5ft and , you can look fine, but you are 20 pounds over your ideal. My first wife I got her into lifting. Otherwise no running or anything outside gym — just golf. Such a shame that some people or women you can regard as beautiful on the outside are still ugly people on the inside. Her top squat was , otherwise multi-sets at Top bench at for 2 reps, otherwise multi sets at bar, 65, 85, Elizabeth Hurley said that if she were as fat as Marilyn Monroe, she would kill herself.
No matter what people say about Marilyn Monroe, she will always be an icon of beauty, now, and forever! Ask any man. Try one year. I had to go look up Elizabeth Hurley to figure out who this article author was referencing. And your comment underscores exactly what Norma Jean struggled with her entire life.
While she was Marilyn Monroe in moving pictures, off screen she was still Norma Jean. Her iconic larger-than-life celebrity status only fed into her own insecurities and fears. She was so insecure of her own talent and looks that, as was stated in the article, it manifested as physical stage fright. How she saw herself was not how others saw her. Oh, she knew how big of a star she had become and how iconic her image as Marilyn was, but that iconic size only served to feed her own personal insecurities so much so that she could never let herself own or become that.
Additionally, because of her sex object status of which she was acutely aware , she never could date men properly. They wanted a sex kitten dressed in tight fitting dresses, talking in that breathy quality with platinum blonde hair and looking like a million buck trophy. In other words, no man really wanted or could to get to know the real Norma Jean. She wanted someone who could look past the hair, makeup and tight fitting clothes and the spotlight on her to see her for real.
I believe she thought she could find that by marrying Arthur Miller, but in reality her Hollywood spotlight had shone too brightly even for him. She found at least kindred spirits in marrying Joe DiMaggio. At least DiMaggio understood the spotlight of fame in a somewhat similar way as Marilyn. So, there was at least that. Not sure how far the relationship went beyond that. Apparently it was not what Marilyn needed or else that marriage would have also lasted.
Her fame ended up so iconic even in her own time that it really left no place for her to go as a person. Marilyn, like Elizabeth Taylor will always be dolls. Amazing and beautiful. Elizabeth Hurley????? These quotes are definitely fake. As a youngster I delivered newspapers and was present when the 1st Playboy arrived AND there was Marilyn posing naked. However as I seem to recall the shot was tastefully done. She was lying on her side and the photo was taken from above so nothing to offend was exposed.
She was and always will be stunning to look at. Only by comparing her to women of normal weight can you make any point of how the standards of cultural beauty have changed. You must be confusing men with women, not that many women actually carry their weight in their middle, although it differs by locale. Lo, Cindy Crawford, pear-shaped. There is straight or narrow Jennifer Love-Hewitt, Naomi Campbell , there is top heavy body fat stored in the top almost always in conjunction with a wide waist fat tends to store in the middle, but even if they are very thin Adrianna Lima the waist will not be proportionately smaller, and hourglass Marilyn Monroe, Jayne Mansfield, Elizabeth Hurley, Pam Anderson, Jessica Alba, Britney Spears, Jaime Pressley, Gigi Hadid.
There are a lot of mixtures of these 4 basic types, you would think Kate Upton would be a hourglass, but she genetically has no waist, her waist is not much smaller than her hips. If she loses weight, this will not change. You might not think of Britney Spears as a hourglass, but when she gained weight, it was obvious in her upper body and legs, her stomach and waist remained the pretty much the same, and she has a much smaller waist than average. They also lie about weight. Moreover, some things are outright lies, like you can diet your way to a 22 inch waist!
Her hips and upper body are balanced. She models and people who see the photographs before seeing her always think she is very tall. HOW did the author get this job? Marylin or Lindsay are not fat by any standard, neither today or back then. You have to take into account, many factors. Those are b cups not ds are much larger.